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From the hearth: An interview with psychologist and author Dr. Gay Hendricks. His latest book is his first directly dealing with golf although it also delves into other matters. A review of Conscious Golf appears in this edition's Light Reading section. Another of his books, Conscious Breathing, in which I recall a very brief golf mention, is also excellent.

The Hearthstone Review: One concept of sports psychology accepted almost universally I was surprised to learn you don't endorse - visualization. What's the danger to projecting a positive result?

Dr. Gay Hendricks: I think it can be useful up to a point, but the problem that I've noticed is that it takes you out of the present. It takes you out of the now and the absolute most important thing in golf and in business and, in many ways in life itself, is focus. You've got to have the ability to have that clear, sensitive focus on the present. And I've noticed in a lot of people that get into visualization what happens also is that when the ball doesn't go where they visualized it to go, they feel immediate disappointment. Then they have to recover from that for their next shot.

So I think it's a good idea to have a general feel of where you want the ball to go but not an attachment, not so much as a clear visual picture but a feel for it so when you hit the ball you can immediately learn from where it actually went rather than feeling that sense of irritation and disappointment that it didn't go exactly where you wanted.

The Hearthstone Review: What you're talking about in a closely-related way is our expectations. They can be lethal.

Gay Hendricks: Absolutely. The way we say it around here, we have a saying that expectation is rooted in fear. In other words, when you've got an expectation that you're attached to, underneath it you're scared about something. You're scared you're not going to make the shot you want. Or you're scared your relationship isn't going to go the way you want. So the best thing to do is acknowledge that fear and to let go of the expectation. And put that clear focus right on the ball.

The Hearthstone Review: Let's talk about choking. From Greg Norman noting he had difficulty drawing a breath during the final round of the 1996 Masters to this comment from Sam Snead following a U.S. Open round: "I was so tight you couldn'ta drove flaxseed down my throat with a knot maul." In Sam's colorful way, he suggests a physical component to what we call choking, isn't that right?

Gay Hendricks: There really is. Nature, God bless her, has given us two different breathing patterns. One is designed for fight or flight situations when we're scared and need to run and another is designed for ease and harmony and flow. One of the things we do in our seminars is we show people both breathing patterns so they can recognize when they're going into the fight or flight pattern. Now, people like Tiger Woods have a magnificent ability to breath in a certain way and we've actually copied that breathing pattern and teach it to people now because he and several others among the better golfers have a way of breathing when they hit the ball and just before they hit the ball that allows them to be in that state of flow and harmony when they make contact with the ball.

People like Tiger…have a magnificent ability to breath in a certain way and we've actually copied that breathing pattern and teach it…


The Hearthstone Review: It certainly makes sense from a practical standpoint. If you're not taking in enough oxygen, you're probably not performing athletically at your peak.

Gay Hendricks: And it extends to the rest of life too, Jim, because we breath over 20,000 times a day and so that means we either have 20,000 times to get it wrong or 20,000 times to get it right. One of the things we do also when we coach executives, we work a lot with showing them fight or flight breathing patterns so that they'll know when they're in the boardroom, or when they're in a confrontation or negotiation, they can pay attention to their own breathing and to that of those around the table and it will give you a very clear picture of when people are getting stressed out and some kind of shift needs to be made.

The Hearthstone Review: In Conscious Golf you also write of the importance in taking responsibility. The ball goes where we hit it. It reminds me of the old story about Walter Hagen. He finds he's got a tough lie and Hagen tells a sympathetic spectator that, basically, here's my ball and that's where I have to play it. That certainly resonates, doesn't it?

Gay Hendricks: It really does because we've worked with over 1,000 executives from the business world as well as 3,500 couples and a whole bunch of individuals, and the one thing that we've found is that success depends greatly on the ability to take full responsibility for your life. The moment you start blaming the course, or blaming your club or blaming where nature made your ball go, it wastes energy to tune in to learn, 'hmm, how did I hit it that made it go there?'

The Hearthstone Review: Will you reveal one of your three secrets?

Gay Hendricks: What we did is that we looked very carefully at what made people successful in business and what made people successful in golf. And we found to our great delight was these three things that masterful business people can do and three things that masterful golfers can do, and they're the exact same thing.

Let me focus on the second one since it's a little easier to explain. The second secret of success in golf and business and life is the ability to stay in the flow. What I mean by that is when you shift out of the flow suddenly things feel off-center, you don't feel like you're having a good time. Other people don't look like friends to you. They look like enemies. So being in the flow; we've probably all had that experience of when everything was going right and you feel good in your body and you feel at one with nature and close to the people around you. Well, what we did is look very carefully at what people did that knocked them out of the flow and what brings people back into the flow. And, one of the things you can always do to get back into the flow - this is one of the things we teach in the book - is to pay attention to this breathing principle that I've talked about. When you notice your breathing starts coming up high into your chest, rather than down deep into your belly, that's the moment you're losing flow because you're shifting into fight or flight breathing. And if you're going to do one simple thing today out on the course or the course of life, I would suggest pay attention to that little moment when you shift into that slightly stressed kind of breathing and then shift back into that easy deeper breathing which puts you back into the flow.

If you watch Tiger Woods very carefully he will shift into that deeper breathing before he hits the ball, and always he hits the ball after the out breath. So he doesn't try and hit the ball as he's taking in a breath. He hits it on the out breath.

The Hearthstone Review: You suggest testing this by taking a swing inhaling, taking one exhaling and then taking one after you've exhaled and the difference will be apparent. It's immediate.

Gay Hendricks: It's amazing. The moment I discovered that I almost fell out of my chair because I had worked with breathing for many years in helping people learn to handle stress, but then one day I happened to see a slow motion version of Tiger hitting a ball and I saw what he was doing with his breathing and it really made a huge impression on me. I don't think I've swung the same since.

The Hearthstone Review: The tour players strike me as some of the most pessimistic golfers you'd ever care to meet. One told me ruefully that his putting was so bad he couldn't find water putting off a boat. Do you think that conveys a healthy sense of humor or is that depression/expectation a constant battle?

Gay Hendricks: It's a constant battle and of course the problem with professional golfers is that these people are so good at what they do that every tiny little bit that they're off drives them off. I see Fred Couples, he lives around here and he's a wonderful guy but man, can he get hard on himself. He's one of many. It's such a difficult thing. I know a lot of executives over at Dell Computer, fabulous people, and when you're running a business that big and that good, it's kind of like driving a Ferrari at 180 miles per hour. You've got to really have that focus and really be in the flow.

The Hearthstone Review: You grew up in Florida. The Florida State Mental Hospital in Chattahoochee actually has a 9-hole golf course on the grounds. It's just past the horticultural therapy building and the turrets and razor wire of an adjoining state prison. Do you think golf is appropriate recreation for those institutionalized for mental illness?

Gay Hendricks: I'll go further than that. I think that if everybody played golf there would not be any need for institutions like that, and in my opinion the whole school system should be revised and do away with many things on the curriculum so that every school could have at least a 9-hole course for the students to play everyday.

The Hearthstone Review: One of the beauties of golf, is it not, is that you can't think of anything else while you're playing? It's a complete release.

Gay Hendricks: It's a total, complete release. To me it's one of the greatest things human beings have ever developed because when you walk a golf course, you also cannot help but have a reverence for nature. That's one of the things human beings need for their mental health, is to be in nature and have a reverence for nature. There's no better way to do that than picking up a set of golf clubs and walking the course.

© THR, 2003

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