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Excerpts of an all too brief radio conversation with former USGA president Frank "Sandy" Tatum. He's
authored a book of reflections entitled 'A Love Affair with the Game.' It's reviewed elsewhere on the
site. The conversation took place on Saturday morning of the Bethpage Open. Naturally, we talked about
the weather and the playing conditions.
Sandy Tatum: You can understand how these guys, having played in the conditions that they're used to playing, find these conditions so challenging that some of them literally can't handle it. Not so much physically but mentally. That's what the Open is supposed to do. It's supposed to challenge them. And, it's certainly doing that.
The Hearthstone Review: I know you have a personal aversion to Lift, Clean and Place and I assume that view is shared by your successors. What would you say to those who may watch this weekend and find that the conditions may warrant it?
Sandy Tatum: Well, you know that's a tough call. And in my view it's got to be virtually unplayable before they allow that to happen and there's another effect I think that if it were my call, Jim, I'd suspend play until I could play rather than allowing them to pick it up and clean it and place it someplace.
The Hearthstone Review: And the rules make some amends for those kinds of conditions.
Tatum: Yes, indeed they do.
The Hearthstone Review: A couple of comments about the U.S. Open. Bob Jones said: "No one wins the Open. Someone loses it." Cary Middlecoff some years later added this assessment: "No one wins the Open. It wins you." Are those accurate?
Tatum: "I think they're very accurate. It may be, however, that Tiger will change those aphorisms because he seems to be able to bring himself up to a state of mind that goes with this incredible talent that he has that causes him to be able to play these golf courses in a way in which they should be played.
I think, Jim, that as a matter of fact, that illustrates the efficacy of the Open. If you've got the right combination, and Heaven knows he does, you can take the conditions as whatever they may be and you're going to be able to accomplish them. And the rest of these guys somehow have to come to understand that that's what's going on in the U.S. Open. I think they tend, most of them, sort of - well, not just sort of - very defensive and the consequence is they don't play anywhere near their capacity to play. But then again, that's one of the true challenges of the Open. That's to say, it's the mental game that comes into play in the open and, as I see it, much more effectively than it does in any other event.
THR: You play the course as you find it and you play the ball as it lies.
Tatum: Amen.
THR: This is the first time we've had split starts in our national championship. By all accounts, the back nine at Bethpage opens with some of the hardest holes on the golf course. It also takes a long time to get from the practice facility to the 10th tee to hit your shot. How do you think that went?
Tatum: Well, personally, Jim, I wish we hadn't gone to it but I understand the problem. As a matter of fact, the real problem, exacerbated on this golf course, is these players are now playing so slowly that you have a terrible time getting them around even on the basis that we don't have any weather delays. The first starting time is 7:15 in the morning and the last is 2:15 in the afternoon and that certainly is as late as you can go and still they're not finishing until just before dark. And if there were any kind of a rain delay, then you're not going to get in the round.
And I must say, it's a shame because golf courses, many of them and certainly Bethpage is one of them, and clearly it seems to me it's consistent with a Tillinghast design that they start out relatively speaking benignly and they build. One of the best examples I can think of, in addition to Bethpage, is Pebble Beach. It is a distinct disadvantage, it seems to me, to have to start on the hardest part of the golf course. Tiger, I thought, put it into effective perspective when he said that the length of time it took to get from the practice range to be able to tee it up on what is his first hole, the 10th, he's lost his rhythm. I just wish we could somehow find a way of getting around it. But I understand the logistical problem. We don't want to reduce the size of the field.
The only ultimate answer is to cause these guys to play fast enough so they get in a decent round of golf in a decent amount of time.
THR: With respect to slow play, an old pro told me it all boils down to one word, "attitude." I wonder how you look at it, when the pros set a lethargic pace and what that does to the rest of us.
Tatum: It does what it does, Jim. And we've seen it happen everywhere. The fact is that Tiger isn't exactly a racehorse out there. And they plumb bob, they look at the putt from four or five angles, they step away, they get back and then finally they make the stroke. And the ordinary player thinks that's what he has to do in order to play decently and by the time he gets himself ready to hit the stroke, he's forgotten what he was trying to do, as I see it.
And look at Sergio Garcia, that nervous twitch he has when he's gripping the club. I counted yesterday, a couple of times, and he went more than 20 "milkings" of the grip before he finally took it back. He seemed to be over the shot for an interminable amount of time. So, no doubt, it backs up all over the game and it's a shame.
THR: There's a story about Ben Hogan being warned about his pace of play - and he glared and said, 'Go ahead, penalize me." [Which they did not.] Will we ever see a contender in a U.S. Open on Sunday penalized for pace of play?
Tatum: The answer is I have not. That doesn't say that it hasn't occurred, but the rules are out there. The fact is the officialdom is very, very reluctant to apply them. The problem isn't going to be solved by simply backing off every time there's a problem. Hogan had it, and 'OK go ahead and penalize me.' Fair enough, Ben, then, that's what's going to happen. And if the game is just allowed to drift in the way in which it's going, Jim, it's just going to continue to take forever to play it, not just in the Open, but at golf courses all over the country.
THR: One other question that always comes up around the U.S. Open: par. Par, as you've written, the concept, had to be invented. If we were playing match play, we wouldn't give it a second thought. But it obviously means a lot to the USGA. Why is it so important? What's wrong with someone shooting a very deep score?
Tatum: Well, there's nothing wrong with that providing they earn it. And the question is: how well do you have to play in order to earn it. There's no doubt about it, the efficacy of par is that it's the measure by which we all measure ourselves in relation to what a first-class player can do comfortably in the playing of a golf hole or a golf course. That, therefore, becomes the criteria. Just as a way of trying to answer the question you've asked: I certainly have no personal problem at all in watching Tiger Woods take Pebble Beach apart in the open because it was absolutely wonderfully consummate rounds of golf. If you earn it, no problem. But the fact is, you've got to earn it.
And I'm afraid, Jim, that basically they're a little bit spoiled with regard to how easy it is to earn it on most of the tracks on which they play.
The Open provides a very, very useful example and test in that regard.
THR: Your list of criteria of our champion closes with, "He ought to be able to deal with adversity with the patience and perseverance it takes to be a true champion. I'm wondering, did you ever feel the winner didn't exhibit those qualities?
Tatum: No, as a matter of fact, in my own experience in relation to each of the opens I've been involved with, in one way or another, it seemed to me in the particular circumstances, whoever won it won it appropriately, and let me give you two examples. One was Hale Irwin in 1974 at Winged Foot. And while that score was recorded as being seven over par, the fact is Winged Foot was a 72 par golf course and two five pars were converted so that it wasn't all that far from the basic premises for the playing of that golf course. And the other was Tom Kite in the 1992 Open at Pebble Beach.
Both of them played the golf course as it was, as they had to play it in order to prevail and demonstrated all the qualities that I think you're going to have to have to win the U.S. Open championship.
THR: You've written: "Playing the game in a cart simply is not and cannot be golf." Let's say I happen to agree with you, which I do. None of my friends do, however, and a majority of courses that I might like to play don't even permit walking. On this side of the Atlantic, at least, it seems the battle's been lost.
Tatum: No doubt about it, the battle has been lost. And it's a real shame. Beyond what you've just mentioned, golf courses are now being designed so that you literally cannot walk them. Therefore you have to play in a cart. It's a question of how you define the game. I just don't have the slightest hesitation in saying that. Golf, basically, an integral part of playing the game of golf is walking. And I've had enough experience to be able to be very comfortable with that definition, and I haven't got any problem with someone who can't play a golf course because of some physical difficulty. But the fact of the matter is he's not playing golf. I just came up with the phrase "cart ball" because I had to have some phrase to identify what game he was playing, certainly a different game from the game I was playing when I was walking.
THR: You know what they call a mulligan at Turnberry, don't you?
Tatum: No.
THR: Playing three off the tee.
Tatum: Right. Right on!
THR: Are you concerned about crowd behavior this weekend?
Tatum: Yes. Yes. Of course, you know it seems to happen more often in the New York area than elsewhere. And the beer tent isn't very far from the stands at 18. And the people are up there all day long, and they get a few beers and they kinda lose their sense of what's going on. Yes, I think it could be a real problem.
THR: Last question: Do you have a USGA bag tag on your bag?
Tatum: Yes, indeed! It's a wonder I don't wear it on my forehead, Jim.
© THR, 2002
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